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Happy New Year.
I would be grateful for some help. My Type M is missing the cowling that sits under the top of the grill. Doe’s anyone have any photos, dimensions etc of this piece of bodywork. I’ve harvested as many photos as possible from the web, but it would be useful to have any detailed info so that I can make one or get one made.
Thanks
Colin
Hello Colin,
I have picked up on your message concerning the nose cone and a cowling that goes under the grill ? Could you elaborate a bit more for me please. The reason for asking, there is no cowling as such under the radiator grill. There are two types of radiator grill fitted to the M types. One is the waterfall grill that sweeps up over the nose cone, the second is the lower grill type that just covers the opening in the nose cone.At the back of the radiator grill there should be a small half moon shelf , this is riveted to the radiator grill bars to help hold them in place. This small shelf is fitted to both types of grill, is it this that you are referring to.
Hello Colin.
Here is a picture of the standard nose cone looking to the inside. There is a reinforcing frame to hold the contour of the nose cone but no cowling inside. All M types are like this weather it is the long waterfall grill type or the lower grill version.
Please get in touch if you need any more information so we can help you out , kind regards
Many thanks Charles. The cowling is at the top of and under the waterfall grill the half-moon shelf is there. I’ve been scavenging photos from the web and all other M types appear to have the panel. I just need some dimensions/photos so that I can drawup. I presume the cowling is aluminium.
Hello Colin
The nose cone on the M’s is made of steel. If yours has been cut out as in the picture above and you want to fill it back in so it is more like an original, there is really only one way to approach it to make it work. A piece of sheet steel is needed about 1 mm thick to cover the opening that you are trying to fill inn. You should allow at least 1 inch beyond the opening for trimming . The dimensions you need will come from the nose cone opening itself .
The nose cone opening in the area that’s under the grill will have to have its edge joggled , this will create a stepped lower edge for your new panel to sit on. The new panel can then be trimmed to match the lower edge and spot welded in place.
When all looks correct the outer joggled edge seam can be filled in with lead or filler to make a smooth appearance on the outside. This is not a complicated task but it does require some special tools to achieve it. I have attached some pictures to give you an Idea of what to do. My nose cone was quite bad with rotted out sections but the principal is the same, its just adapting it to your needs.
I think you will need to get some help in doing this work but the end result will be worth while. Let me know how you get on and if you need any other guidance.
Kind regard, CharlesHello Colin
The first picture is of a joggled edge set into the nose cone for the repair panel to sit on. Your panel will be different to
this but the idea is the same. The other pictures show my repair piece in place and spot welded. Yours would be done the same but with your the new panel.Hello Colin
This is the joint being leaded in for a smooth finish or you could use filler. I personally would lead the joint as it is structural and would not crack. Hope this is some help to you , Kind regards Charles
Hi Charles, the cowling in the photo and from other Type M’s photos I’ve scavenged from the web all appear to be a separate removable panel and not welded.
Hello Colin
That’s interesting, I have seen modified ones that have had the section opened up but not a bolted up panel. I could be wrong about this so I have ask for help via our club Whats App group to see if anyone has some more knowledge about this. Could you let me know the year of the car and its reg as we can check it out for you
Kind regards, Charles
Hi Charles,
Mine is MUA 735 (1949) attached is a photo of JYT 944 where the edge (shadow gap) of the cowling can be seen on the LHS. Many thanks for help with this. The proof or otherwise will be when I take the grill off as there would have to be a return flange on the nose where a cowling would attach.
Regards
Colin
Hello Colin
Thank’s for the info. There were a few messages on our social chat about your car and the only snippet that came to light was some early cars were fitted with more grill bars and this led to some overheating . Further to this there was also a mention of a flap being fitted to allow more air inn, hmm interesting. Well, this is an interesting topic, please let us know what you find and post a picture if you can. We will follow this through with you and assist you as best we can. Keep us posted Colin and well done, Kind regards
Charles
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